Phuket Gazette

PHUKET: My family, together with two other families, have travelled together to enjoy our holidays in Phuket, and Karon Beach in particular, every Swedish winter for the past 13 years.

But now it’s over.

We are able to see Karon Beach from a web camera that broadcasts video online from a resort beside the beach – and because there are no umbrellas and no sun-loungers, we have decided to go to some other warm country for our holidays this year.

It’s a total disaster for everyone on Phuket and we cannot understand why this situation has been accepted.

I’m sure that this will affect many tourists’ decision on whether or not to spend their holidays in Phuket, and could easily affect many tourists’ decisions on whether to come to Thailand at all, if Phuket is a major part of their travel plans.

As a regular tourist, you get to know the local vendors over time, as you always go to the same place, and this is a big part of staying at Karon Beach. You can get local advice and information, buy something to drink or eat, and the prices are really good.

As far as the corruption scandal about the huge amounts of money spent on acquiring beach contracts, the reason why it did not become an issue for tourists is because it didn’t really affect us.

We don’t really care because the vendors were taking care of us. If we had to arrange beach umbrellas and everything else all by ourselves, then I’m sure that would have been the end of the expression the “Land of Smiles”.

And I’m afraid that the latest news that tourists are now allowed to bring their own umbrellas doesn’t fix the problem.

Imagine a family carrying their kids and all of their toys down to the beach. They will not accept the fact that they have to bring their own umbrellas and other essentials to at the tropical beaches as well. It’s just too much to carry.

This means that we, all three families, have this year decided to go to Vietnam instead of Thailand, and that’s a pity, because, after all, we have visited Thailand for about 14 years.

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— Wicke Wiktorin

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The corruption affects every tourist but only for a short time, so according to you corruption is OK as you can afford the higher prices it brings, but local residents have to put up with high prices all through the year, especially taxis. The less [sic] tourists come here the better until all the greed and corruption is stamped out once and for all.

Posted by Shwe December 16, 2014 07:38:32AM

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"As far as the corruption scandal, the reason why it did not become an issue for tourists is because it didn’t really affect us." Then stay away because the corruption affects all who live here. You can leave it behind, but we cannot as it is in our faces all the time.

Posted by Uncle Roy December 16, 2014 08:17:26AM

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If your 'holiday happiness' is based on plastic chairs and umbrellas and you dont 'care' about anyone or anything else, then you should be quite comfortable in many countries. Bon voyage.

Posted by Chob December 16, 2014 08:32:26AM

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The corruption affects every tourist but only for a short time, so according to you corruption is OK as you can afford the higher prices it brings, but local residents have to put up with high prices all through the year, especially taxis. The less [sic] tourists come here the better until all the greed and corruption is stamped out once and for all.

Posted by Shwe

For tourists like that, it's much preferred if you stay home in your dark and cold country and remain all selfish important to your own self, we need tourists who care about their local impact. You should go Saint-Tropez instead if you have the money, but I doubt as you mentioned that it's too much for you to carry your own umbrellas and possibly too poor to hire someone to do it for you.

Posted by Matthew December 16, 2014 09:16:17AM

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I too have been coming to Phuket for a very long time, the main attraction being Patong Beach. It was a pleasure to arrive on the Beach to smiling faces and be looked after – regally, I may say – by the young attendants. Unfortunately, I am now failing medically and age-wise, so could never carry an umbrella, etc, to the beach. PLEASE, Governor of Phuket, let the tourists have their relaxing holiday beaches back.

Posted by Blackie December 16, 2014 09:20:57AM

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Dear Mr Wicke Wiktorin: Developed countries don't allow a mass of umbrellas, loungers, and ever expanding businesses to despoil their public beaches. The beaches are magnificent without all the crap. Your opinion illustrates the selfishness of some people. Please don't come back. Enjoy your new communist vacation haven. Vietnam will never be in the same league as Thailand as a vacation destination. Ye gods... some people!

Posted by Kamalala December 16, 2014 09:29:51AM

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The corruption affects every tourist but only for a short time, so according to you corruption is OK as you can afford the higher prices it brings, but local residents have to put up with high prices all through the year, especially taxis. The less [sic] tourists come here the better until all the greed and corruption is stamped out once and for all.

Posted by Shwe

"The less [sic] tourists come here the better until all the greed and corruption is stamped out once and for all": You clearly are not depending on tourism to get income. I think most of the people that do (and in Phuket they are plenty) will find your comment very selfish and short sighted. And with few tourists around many businesses will have to close, affecting your lifestyle as well...

Posted by Jo Dela Hetie December 16, 2014 11:05:13AM

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Well said Wicke, take no notice of what the others have said; it's all rubbish. The prices don't change when you or I leave for home; they stay the same most of the year round. If they think 100 baht a day for a chair and all of your belongings kept safe is too dear for them, then what does that tell you about them? Bring back the chairs and the drinks and regulate them properly and all will be well in the land of smiles.

Posted by mr richie December 16, 2014 11:18:04AM

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Most of the people enjoy the new sight of Phuket's beautiful beaches without touts for food and drinks, chairs, umbrellas, etc. Really not a problem if low class tourists move to other crowded places and dirty beaches.

Posted by Michel de Lastelle December 16, 2014 11:55:05AM

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Tourists want these small luxuries. (I do, too.) Why task them with cleaning up corruption? Isn't that for Thai citizens to do? I would also submit that many expats making these harsh judgements pay into corruption themselves, such as patronizing bars and prostitutes, and/or cheating the laws with nominee companies, owning land in a Thai spouse's name, working on the sly while on retirement or education visas, etc, etc.

Posted by The Mare Crisium December 16, 2014 12:00:18PM

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The corruption affects every tourist but only for a short time, so according to you corruption is OK as you can afford the higher prices it brings, but local residents have to put up with high prices all through the year, especially taxis. The less [sic] tourists come here the better until all the greed and corruption is stamped out once and for all.

Posted by Shwe

I'm pretty sure the lady was talking only about the 100 baht for a chair and an umbrella, and not all the other things on the island as she doesn't live there; she just holidays there once a year. $3.00 Aussie dollars for a day won't break your budget, and that's even if you do reside there.

Posted by Stephen B December 16, 2014 12:11:19PM

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I understand that Phuket has changed in the 17 years since I lived there, but really? Carrying an umbrella and beach chairs is such a burden that you've chosen Vietnam instead? Oh well. The food there is astounding.

Posted by Bethany Maloney December 16, 2014 02:05:31PM

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The problem was that so many vendors filled up the beach sand with chairs, you couldn't walk. Here is the solution. Allow folks to rent chairs and umbrellas from a limited number of registered vendors per beach, but the beach goer is responsible for getting the gear on and off the beach when he is done. The revenue generated from rental then pays for the lifeguards and garbage removal, beach maintenance, security, etc.

Posted by The Solution December 16, 2014 02:19:16PM

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Well said Wicke, take no notice of what the others have said; it's all rubbish. The prices don't change when you or I leave for home; they stay the same most of the year round. If they think 100 baht a day for a chair and all of your belongings kept safe is too dear for them, then what does that tell you about them? Bring back the chairs and the drinks and regulate them properly and all will be well in the land of smiles.

Posted by mr richie

Agree. Ham 'n' cheese is fine.

Posted by Frank Desmond December 16, 2014 02:57:25PM

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Tourists want these small luxuries. (I do, too.) Why task them with cleaning up corruption? Isn't that for Thai citizens to do? I would also submit that many expats making these harsh judgements pay into corruption themselves, such as patronizing bars and prostitutes, and/or cheating the laws with nominee companies, owning land in a Thai spouse's name, working on the sly while on retirement or education visas, etc, etc.

Posted by The Mare Crisium

Glad you said "cheating" laws, not "breaking" laws. Racist and anti-social laws deserve the outcomes they get. There is absolutely nothing wrong with a so-called "nominee" set up. The FACT is that the nominee himself IS the owner of the shares. Trust you do understand that. The courts certainly do.

Posted by Robert Moreland-Johnson December 16, 2014 03:05:52PM

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Why this ban on umbrellas and this welcome to the jet-ski scammers? Something wrong here; spot the crime!

Posted by mach December 16, 2014 05:52:14PM

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Seems that the Swedish families are the kind of tourists Phuket should welcome. Some of the comments about them are distasteful. They were happy here for years but now are not happy with the situation. Buy deck chairs, etc? And carry them to the beach from where? Then go for a meal – is that with the chairs or not? Do they leave them on the beach every day? Possibly some resident expats are of low, low quality?

Posted by Ga December 16, 2014 06:53:39PM

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Seems that the Swedish families are the kind of tourists Phuket should welcome. Some of the comments about them are distasteful. They were happy here for years but now are not happy with the situation. Buy deck chairs, etc? And carry them to the beach from where? Then go for a meal – is that with the chairs or not? Do they leave them on the beach every day? Possibly some resident expats are of low, low quality?

Posted by Ga

Don't know about the quality of resident expats, but am guessing that at least they know the restaurants in Phuket DO have chairs. They probably also know that if you buy furniture and leave it on the beach overnight, there's a high likelihood it'll be gone in the morning :))

Posted by Jao December 17, 2014 03:02:53PM

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Tourists want these small luxuries. (I do, too.) Why task them with cleaning up corruption? Isn't that for Thai citizens to do? I would also submit that many expats making these harsh judgements pay into corruption themselves, such as patronizing bars and prostitutes, and/or cheating the laws with nominee companies, owning land in a Thai spouse's name, working on the sly while on retirement or education visas, etc, etc.

Posted by The Mare Crisium

To The Mare: Don't judge other people by your own standards. To Jo Dela Hetie: No, I do not depend on tourism for my income. But you should think about the other issues that having too many tourists bring – inadequate garbage disposal, lack of water, heavy traffic. But let's all be like you and take as much as we can off the tourists and to hell with the problems they bring. Use the bribe money to improve Phuket.

Posted by Shwe December 17, 2014 03:06:47PM

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Tourists want these small luxuries. (I do, too.) Why task them with cleaning up corruption? Isn't that for Thai citizens to do? I would also submit that many expats making these harsh judgements pay into corruption themselves, such as patronizing bars and prostitutes, and/or cheating the laws with nominee companies, owning land in a Thai spouse's name, working on the sly while on retirement or education visas, etc, etc.

Posted by The Mare Crisium

Glad you said "cheating" laws, not "breaking" laws. Racist and anti-social laws deserve the outcomes they get. There is absolutely nothing wrong with a so-called "nominee" set up. The FACT is that the nominee himself IS the owner of the shares. Trust you do understand that. The courts certainly do.

Posted by Robert Moreland-Johnson

You are free to make judgements about the law, but the spirit of the law, that Thais must own 51%, is broken. (Perhaps the law is aimed at keeping foreigners proud of "cheating", to operate their businesses?) I suppose it's also OK to buy a beer from a club that has paid under the table to stay open late? Seems some foreigners want corruption, but the thousands of working Thais who are affected be damned.

Posted by The Night Mare December 18, 2014 11:59:52AM

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Tourists want these small luxuries. (I do, too.) Why task them with cleaning up corruption? Isn't that for Thai citizens to do? I would also submit that many expats making these harsh judgements pay into corruption themselves, such as patronizing bars and prostitutes, and/or cheating the laws with nominee companies, owning land in a Thai spouse's name, working on the sly while on retirement or education visas, etc, etc.

Posted by The Mare Crisium

Glad you said "cheating" laws, not "breaking" laws. Racist and anti-social laws deserve the outcomes they get. There is absolutely nothing wrong with a so-called "nominee" set up. The FACT is that the nominee himself IS the owner of the shares. Trust you do understand that. The courts certainly do.

Posted by Robert Moreland-Johnson

You are free to make judgements about the law, but the spirit of the law, that Thais must own 51%, is broken. (Perhaps the law is aimed at keeping foreigners proud of "cheating", to operate their businesses?) I suppose it's also OK to buy a beer from a club that has paid under the table to stay open late? Seems some foreigners want corruption, but the thousands of working Thais who are affected be damned.

Posted by The Night Mare

Agree fully that the '51% max' idea is broken - out of date and out of synch – and therefore out of control. But it, like the 'no foreigner can own land', facilitates 'cake and eat it too'. These laws appeal to the base instincts of rural xenophobia (about 85% of the population) while at the same time enabling foreigners to invest freely – as much as they want! Perfect!

Posted by Observer December 18, 2014 04:28:11PM

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Tourists want these small luxuries. (I do, too.) Why task them with cleaning up corruption? Isn't that for Thai citizens to do? I would also submit that many expats making these harsh judgements pay into corruption themselves, such as patronizing bars and prostitutes, and/or cheating the laws with nominee companies, owning land in a Thai spouse's name, working on the sly while on retirement or education visas, etc, etc.

Posted by The Mare Crisium

To The Mare: Don't judge other people by your own standards. To Jo Dela Hetie: No, I do not depend on tourism for my income. But you should think about the other issues that having too many tourists bring – inadequate garbage disposal, lack of water, heavy traffic. But let's all be like you and take as much as we can off the tourists and to hell with the problems they bring. Use the bribe money to improve Phuket.

Posted by Shwe

If not by my standards, whose? Yours? Tourists want sunbeds and umbrellas. The real issue is why can't Thais accept regulations and abide by them, and why can't officials enforce rules without caving to, er... incentives.

Posted by The Night Mare December 18, 2014 10:26:31PM

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Tourists want these small luxuries. (I do, too.) Why task them with cleaning up corruption? Isn't that for Thai citizens to do? I would also submit that many expats making these harsh judgements pay into corruption themselves, such as patronizing bars and prostitutes, and/or cheating the laws with nominee companies, owning land in a Thai spouse's name, working on the sly while on retirement or education visas, etc, etc.

Posted by The Mare Crisium

Glad you said "cheating" laws, not "breaking" laws. Racist and anti-social laws deserve the outcomes they get. There is absolutely nothing wrong with a so-called "nominee" set up. The FACT is that the nominee himself IS the owner of the shares. Trust you do understand that. The courts certainly do.

Posted by Robert Moreland-Johnson

You are free to make judgements about the law, but the spirit of the law, that Thais must own 51%, is broken. (Perhaps the law is aimed at keeping foreigners proud of "cheating", to operate their businesses?) I suppose it's also OK to buy a beer from a club that has paid under the table to stay open late? Seems some foreigners want corruption, but the thousands of working Thais who are affected be damned.

Posted by The Night Mare

Agree fully that the '51% max' idea is broken - out of date and out of synch – and therefore out of control. But it, like the 'no foreigner can own land', facilitates 'cake and eat it too'. These laws appeal to the base instincts of rural xenophobia (about 85% of the population) while at the same time enabling foreigners to invest freely – as much as they want! Perfect!

Posted by Observer

You are agreeing with yourself, not me as I didn't make those claims. However, plenty of cheaters lose it all– as with thousands who have had spouses pull the rug out, and more locally, a villa development at Bang Tao also has investors worried. How many others have been burned by the hook,reel 'em in attitude of officials? Question; which shows a lack of character more, circumventing rules, or bragging about it?

Posted by The Night Mare December 18, 2014 10:36:36PM

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Most of the people enjoy the new sight of Phuket's beautiful beaches without touts for food and drinks, chairs, umbrellas, etc. Really not a problem if low class tourists move to other crowded places and dirty beaches.

Posted by Michel de Lastelle

No, low budget tourist stay arround there hotel and spent there money in food from 7 eleven . Beter tourist want or like any confort like chairs not food and of course the umbrellas . They go out to have lunch and diner in Thai restaurants or buy food by local people . If Phucket like a better tourisme in the futher they have to see what there needs are and that's not lay in these dirty beaches with dustbin [This comment has been seen but not edited by the Phuket Gazette.]

Posted by malena December 19, 2014 10:30:13PM

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Tourists want these small luxuries. (I do, too.) Why task them with cleaning up corruption? Isn't that for Thai citizens to do? I would also submit that many expats making these harsh judgements pay into corruption themselves, such as patronizing bars and prostitutes, and/or cheating the laws with nominee companies, owning land in a Thai spouse's name, working on the sly while on retirement or education visas, etc, etc.

Posted by The Mare Crisium

Glad you said "cheating" laws, not "breaking" laws. Racist and anti-social laws deserve the outcomes they get. There is absolutely nothing wrong with a so-called "nominee" set up. The FACT is that the nominee himself IS the owner of the shares. Trust you do understand that. The courts certainly do.

Posted by Robert Moreland-Johnson

You are free to make judgements about the law, but the spirit of the law, that Thais must own 51%, is broken. (Perhaps the law is aimed at keeping foreigners proud of "cheating", to operate their businesses?) I suppose it's also OK to buy a beer from a club that has paid under the table to stay open late? Seems some foreigners want corruption, but the thousands of working Thais who are affected be damned.

Posted by The Night Mare

Agree fully that the '51% max' idea is broken - out of date and out of synch – and therefore out of control. But it, like the 'no foreigner can own land', facilitates 'cake and eat it too'. These laws appeal to the base instincts of rural xenophobia (about 85% of the population) while at the same time enabling foreigners to invest freely – as much as they want! Perfect!

Posted by Observer

You are agreeing with yourself, not me as I didn't make those claims. However, plenty of cheaters lose it all– as with thousands who have had spouses pull the rug out, and more locally, a villa development at Bang Tao also has investors worried. How many others have been burned by the hook,reel 'em in attitude of officials? Question; which shows a lack of character more, circumventing rules, or bragging about it?

Posted by The Night Mare

You opined that the law regarding 51% ownership of a company is "broken". I agreed with you, and gave my reasons therefor. My descriptor "Perfect" was lavishly sardonic, so I thought it not easily misunderstood. As for the answer to your question with regard to lack of character, it's the latter.

Posted by Observer December 20, 2014 07:20:23AM

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Tourists want these small luxuries. (I do, too.) Why task them with cleaning up corruption? Isn't that for Thai citizens to do? I would also submit that many expats making these harsh judgements pay into corruption themselves, such as patronizing bars and prostitutes, and/or cheating the laws with nominee companies, owning land in a Thai spouse's name, working on the sly while on retirement or education visas, etc, etc.

Posted by The Mare Crisium

Glad you said "cheating" laws, not "breaking" laws. Racist and anti-social laws deserve the outcomes they get. There is absolutely nothing wrong with a so-called "nominee" set up. The FACT is that the nominee himself IS the owner of the shares. Trust you do understand that. The courts certainly do.

Posted by Robert Moreland-Johnson

You are free to make judgements about the law, but the spirit of the law, that Thais must own 51%, is broken. (Perhaps the law is aimed at keeping foreigners proud of "cheating", to operate their businesses?) I suppose it's also OK to buy a beer from a club that has paid under the table to stay open late? Seems some foreigners want corruption, but the thousands of working Thais who are affected be damned.

Posted by The Night Mare

Agree fully that the '51% max' idea is broken - out of date and out of synch – and therefore out of control. But it, like the 'no foreigner can own land', facilitates 'cake and eat it too'. These laws appeal to the base instincts of rural xenophobia (about 85% of the population) while at the same time enabling foreigners to invest freely – as much as they want! Perfect!

Posted by Observer

You are agreeing with yourself, not me as I didn't make those claims. However, plenty of cheaters lose it all– as with thousands who have had spouses pull the rug out, and more locally, a villa development at Bang Tao also has investors worried. How many others have been burned by the hook,reel 'em in attitude of officials? Question; which shows a lack of character more, circumventing rules, or bragging about it?

Posted by The Night Mare

You opined that the law regarding 51% ownership of a company is "broken". I agreed with you, and gave my reasons therefor. My descriptor "Perfect" was lavishly sardonic, so I thought it not easily misunderstood. As for the answer to your question with regard to lack of character, it's the latter.

Posted by Observer

To clarify; I did not say the law was "broken" as in a bad law. I believe you are agreeing with Moreland-Johnson's opinion and accessment [sic] the law is "outdated...."etc. I said many cheat the spirit of the FBA and other laws, then moan about some beach vendors making a living, and paying the local governments to do it – while slurping beers at the local bar that rents out prostitutes and pays off police to do it.

Posted by The Night Mare December 20, 2014 01:54:39PM

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Tourists want these small luxuries. (I do, too.) Why task them with cleaning up corruption? Isn't that for Thai citizens to do? I would also submit that many expats making these harsh judgements pay into corruption themselves, such as patronizing bars and prostitutes, and/or cheating the laws with nominee companies, owning land in a Thai spouse's name, working on the sly while on retirement or education visas, etc, etc.

Posted by The Mare Crisium

Glad you said "cheating" laws, not "breaking" laws. Racist and anti-social laws deserve the outcomes they get. There is absolutely nothing wrong with a so-called "nominee" set up. The FACT is that the nominee himself IS the owner of the shares. Trust you do understand that. The courts certainly do.

Posted by Robert Moreland-Johnson

You are free to make judgements about the law, but the spirit of the law, that Thais must own 51%, is broken. (Perhaps the law is aimed at keeping foreigners proud of "cheating", to operate their businesses?) I suppose it's also OK to buy a beer from a club that has paid under the table to stay open late? Seems some foreigners want corruption, but the thousands of working Thais who are affected be damned.

Posted by The Night Mare

Agree fully that the '51% max' idea is broken - out of date and out of synch – and therefore out of control. But it, like the 'no foreigner can own land', facilitates 'cake and eat it too'. These laws appeal to the base instincts of rural xenophobia (about 85% of the population) while at the same time enabling foreigners to invest freely – as much as they want! Perfect!

Posted by Observer

You are agreeing with yourself, not me as I didn't make those claims. However, plenty of cheaters lose it all– as with thousands who have had spouses pull the rug out, and more locally, a villa development at Bang Tao also has investors worried. How many others have been burned by the hook,reel 'em in attitude of officials? Question; which shows a lack of character more, circumventing rules, or bragging about it?

Posted by The Night Mare

You opined that the law regarding 51% ownership of a company is "broken". I agreed with you, and gave my reasons therefor. My descriptor "Perfect" was lavishly sardonic, so I thought it not easily misunderstood. As for the answer to your question with regard to lack of character, it's the latter.

Posted by Observer

To clarify; I did not say the law was "broken" as in a bad law. I believe you are agreeing with Moreland-Johnson's opinion and accessment [sic] the law is "outdated...."etc. I said many cheat the spirit of the FBA and other laws, then moan about some beach vendors making a living, and paying the local governments to do it – while slurping beers at the local bar that rents out prostitutes and pays off police to do it.

Posted by The Night Mare

Quote/ I did not say the law was "broken"..../Unquote. Sir, I do not wish to be a party to your trivial little spat with Observer, but you do owe it to yourself to re-read the first sentence in your comment #22.

Posted by Rune Haberstroh December 20, 2014 07:46:06PM

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Is Kakfa in charge here? Three day rotating permits – give me a break – a monkey couldn't design something more unworkable! Simply licence the beach chair/umbrella/food/drink vendors annually and enforce the law! People come here for this type of experience and are very happy to pay for it – as I have been twice a year for 15 years for 2 weeks at a time – clean it up, tidy it up, make it professional and workable.

Posted by Nick - Australia December 28, 2014 09:48:08AM

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Is Kakfa in charge here? Three day rotating permits – give me a break – a monkey couldn't design something more unworkable! Simply licence the beach chair/umbrella/food/drink vendors annually and enforce the law! People come here for this type of experience and are very happy to pay for it – as I have been twice a year for 15 years for 2 weeks at a time – clean it up, tidy it up, make it professional and workable.

Posted by Nick - Australia December 28, 2014 09:48:08AM

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Tourists want these small luxuries. (I do, too.) Why task them with cleaning up corruption? Isn't that for Thai citizens to do? I would also submit that many expats making these harsh judgements pay into corruption themselves, such as patronizing bars and prostitutes, and/or cheating the laws with nominee companies, owning land in a Thai spouse's name, working on the sly while on retirement or education visas, etc, etc.

Posted by The Mare Crisium

Glad you said "cheating" laws, not "breaking" laws. Racist and anti-social laws deserve the outcomes they get. There is absolutely nothing wrong with a so-called "nominee" set up. The FACT is that the nominee himself IS the owner of the shares. Trust you do understand that. The courts certainly do.

Posted by Robert Moreland-Johnson

You are free to make judgements about the law, but the spirit of the law, that Thais must own 51%, is broken. (Perhaps the law is aimed at keeping foreigners proud of "cheating", to operate their businesses?) I suppose it's also OK to buy a beer from a club that has paid under the table to stay open late? Seems some foreigners want corruption, but the thousands of working Thais who are affected be damned.

Posted by The Night Mare

Agree fully that the '51% max' idea is broken - out of date and out of synch – and therefore out of control. But it, like the 'no foreigner can own land', facilitates 'cake and eat it too'. These laws appeal to the base instincts of rural xenophobia (about 85% of the population) while at the same time enabling foreigners to invest freely – as much as they want! Perfect!

Posted by Observer

You are agreeing with yourself, not me as I didn't make those claims. However, plenty of cheaters lose it all– as with thousands who have had spouses pull the rug out, and more locally, a villa development at Bang Tao also has investors worried. How many others have been burned by the hook,reel 'em in attitude of officials? Question; which shows a lack of character more, circumventing rules, or bragging about it?

Posted by The Night Mare

You opined that the law regarding 51% ownership of a company is "broken". I agreed with you, and gave my reasons therefor. My descriptor "Perfect" was lavishly sardonic, so I thought it not easily misunderstood. As for the answer to your question with regard to lack of character, it's the latter.

Posted by Observer

To clarify; I did not say the law was "broken" as in a bad law. I believe you are agreeing with Moreland-Johnson's opinion and accessment [sic] the law is "outdated...."etc. I said many cheat the spirit of the FBA and other laws, then moan about some beach vendors making a living, and paying the local governments to do it – while slurping beers at the local bar that rents out prostitutes and pays off police to do it.

Posted by The Night Mare

Quote/ I did not say the law was "broken"..../Unquote. Sir, I do not wish to be a party to your trivial little spat with Observer, but you do owe it to yourself to re-read the first sentence in your comment #22.

Posted by Rune Haberstroh December 20, 2014 07:46:06PM

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Tourists want these small luxuries. (I do, too.) Why task them with cleaning up corruption? Isn't that for Thai citizens to do? I would also submit that many expats making these harsh judgements pay into corruption themselves, such as patronizing bars and prostitutes, and/or cheating the laws with nominee companies, owning land in a Thai spouse's name, working on the sly while on retirement or education visas, etc, etc.

Posted by The Mare Crisium

Glad you said "cheating" laws, not "breaking" laws. Racist and anti-social laws deserve the outcomes they get. There is absolutely nothing wrong with a so-called "nominee" set up. The FACT is that the nominee himself IS the owner of the shares. Trust you do understand that. The courts certainly do.

Posted by Robert Moreland-Johnson

You are free to make judgements about the law, but the spirit of the law, that Thais must own 51%, is broken. (Perhaps the law is aimed at keeping foreigners proud of "cheating", to operate their businesses?) I suppose it's also OK to buy a beer from a club that has paid under the table to stay open late? Seems some foreigners want corruption, but the thousands of working Thais who are affected be damned.

Posted by The Night Mare

Agree fully that the '51% max' idea is broken - out of date and out of synch – and therefore out of control. But it, like the 'no foreigner can own land', facilitates 'cake and eat it too'. These laws appeal to the base instincts of rural xenophobia (about 85% of the population) while at the same time enabling foreigners to invest freely – as much as they want! Perfect!

Posted by Observer

You are agreeing with yourself, not me as I didn't make those claims. However, plenty of cheaters lose it all– as with thousands who have had spouses pull the rug out, and more locally, a villa development at Bang Tao also has investors worried. How many others have been burned by the hook,reel 'em in attitude of officials? Question; which shows a lack of character more, circumventing rules, or bragging about it?

Posted by The Night Mare

You opined that the law regarding 51% ownership of a company is "broken". I agreed with you, and gave my reasons therefor. My descriptor "Perfect" was lavishly sardonic, so I thought it not easily misunderstood. As for the answer to your question with regard to lack of character, it's the latter.

Posted by Observer

To clarify; I did not say the law was "broken" as in a bad law. I believe you are agreeing with Moreland-Johnson's opinion and accessment [sic] the law is "outdated...."etc. I said many cheat the spirit of the FBA and other laws, then moan about some beach vendors making a living, and paying the local governments to do it – while slurping beers at the local bar that rents out prostitutes and pays off police to do it.

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Tourists want these small luxuries. (I do, too.) Why task them with cleaning up corruption? Isn't that for Thai citizens to do? I would also submit that many expats making these harsh judgements pay into corruption themselves, such as patronizing bars and prostitutes, and/or cheating the laws with nominee companies, owning land in a Thai spouse's name, working on the sly while on retirement or education visas, etc, etc.

Posted by The Mare Crisium

Glad you said "cheating" laws, not "breaking" laws. Racist and anti-social laws deserve the outcomes they get. There is absolutely nothing wrong with a so-called "nominee" set up. The FACT is that the nominee himself IS the owner of the shares. Trust you do understand that. The courts certainly do.

Posted by Robert Moreland-Johnson

You are free to make judgements about the law, but the spirit of the law, that Thais must own 51%, is broken. (Perhaps the law is aimed at keeping foreigners proud of "cheating", to operate their businesses?) I suppose it's also OK to buy a beer from a club that has paid under the table to stay open late? Seems some foreigners want corruption, but the thousands of working Thais who are affected be damned.

Posted by The Night Mare

Agree fully that the '51% max' idea is broken - out of date and out of synch – and therefore out of control. But it, like the 'no foreigner can own land', facilitates 'cake and eat it too'. These laws appeal to the base instincts of rural xenophobia (about 85% of the population) while at the same time enabling foreigners to invest freely – as much as they want! Perfect!

Posted by Observer

You are agreeing with yourself, not me as I didn't make those claims. However, plenty of cheaters lose it all– as with thousands who have had spouses pull the rug out, and more locally, a villa development at Bang Tao also has investors worried. How many others have been burned by the hook,reel 'em in attitude of officials? Question; which shows a lack of character more, circumventing rules, or bragging about it?

Posted by The Night Mare

You opined that the law regarding 51% ownership of a company is "broken". I agreed with you, and gave my reasons therefor. My descriptor "Perfect" was lavishly sardonic, so I thought it not easily misunderstood. As for the answer to your question with regard to lack of character, it's the latter.

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Most of the people enjoy the new sight of Phuket's beautiful beaches without touts for food and drinks, chairs, umbrellas, etc. Really not a problem if low class tourists move to other crowded places and dirty beaches.

Posted by Michel de Lastelle

No, low budget tourist stay arround there hotel and spent there money in food from 7 eleven . Beter tourist want or like any confort like chairs not food and of course the umbrellas . They go out to have lunch and diner in Thai restaurants or buy food by local people . If Phucket like a better tourisme in the futher they have to see what there needs are and that's not lay in these dirty beaches with dustbin [This comment has been seen but not edited by the Phuket Gazette.]

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Tourists want these small luxuries. (I do, too.) Why task them with cleaning up corruption? Isn't that for Thai citizens to do? I would also submit that many expats making these harsh judgements pay into corruption themselves, such as patronizing bars and prostitutes, and/or cheating the laws with nominee companies, owning land in a Thai spouse's name, working on the sly while on retirement or education visas, etc, etc.

Posted by The Mare Crisium

Glad you said "cheating" laws, not "breaking" laws. Racist and anti-social laws deserve the outcomes they get. There is absolutely nothing wrong with a so-called "nominee" set up. The FACT is that the nominee himself IS the owner of the shares. Trust you do understand that. The courts certainly do.

Posted by Robert Moreland-Johnson

You are free to make judgements about the law, but the spirit of the law, that Thais must own 51%, is broken. (Perhaps the law is aimed at keeping foreigners proud of "cheating", to operate their businesses?) I suppose it's also OK to buy a beer from a club that has paid under the table to stay open late? Seems some foreigners want corruption, but the thousands of working Thais who are affected be damned.

Posted by The Night Mare

Agree fully that the '51% max' idea is broken - out of date and out of synch – and therefore out of control. But it, like the 'no foreigner can own land', facilitates 'cake and eat it too'. These laws appeal to the base instincts of rural xenophobia (about 85% of the population) while at the same time enabling foreigners to invest freely – as much as they want! Perfect!

Posted by Observer

You are agreeing with yourself, not me as I didn't make those claims. However, plenty of cheaters lose it all– as with thousands who have had spouses pull the rug out, and more locally, a villa development at Bang Tao also has investors worried. How many others have been burned by the hook,reel 'em in attitude of officials? Question; which shows a lack of character more, circumventing rules, or bragging about it?

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Tourists want these small luxuries. (I do, too.) Why task them with cleaning up corruption? Isn't that for Thai citizens to do? I would also submit that many expats making these harsh judgements pay into corruption themselves, such as patronizing bars and prostitutes, and/or cheating the laws with nominee companies, owning land in a Thai spouse's name, working on the sly while on retirement or education visas, etc, etc.

Posted by The Mare Crisium

To The Mare: Don't judge other people by your own standards. To Jo Dela Hetie: No, I do not depend on tourism for my income. But you should think about the other issues that having too many tourists bring – inadequate garbage disposal, lack of water, heavy traffic. But let's all be like you and take as much as we can off the tourists and to hell with the problems they bring. Use the bribe money to improve Phuket.

Posted by Shwe

If not by my standards, whose? Yours? Tourists want sunbeds and umbrellas. The real issue is why can't Thais accept regulations and abide by them, and why can't officials enforce rules without caving to, er... incentives.

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Tourists want these small luxuries. (I do, too.) Why task them with cleaning up corruption? Isn't that for Thai citizens to do? I would also submit that many expats making these harsh judgements pay into corruption themselves, such as patronizing bars and prostitutes, and/or cheating the laws with nominee companies, owning land in a Thai spouse's name, working on the sly while on retirement or education visas, etc, etc.

Posted by The Mare Crisium

Glad you said "cheating" laws, not "breaking" laws. Racist and anti-social laws deserve the outcomes they get. There is absolutely nothing wrong with a so-called "nominee" set up. The FACT is that the nominee himself IS the owner of the shares. Trust you do understand that. The courts certainly do.

Posted by Robert Moreland-Johnson

You are free to make judgements about the law, but the spirit of the law, that Thais must own 51%, is broken. (Perhaps the law is aimed at keeping foreigners proud of "cheating", to operate their businesses?) I suppose it's also OK to buy a beer from a club that has paid under the table to stay open late? Seems some foreigners want corruption, but the thousands of working Thais who are affected be damned.

Posted by The Night Mare

Agree fully that the '51% max' idea is broken - out of date and out of synch – and therefore out of control. But it, like the 'no foreigner can own land', facilitates 'cake and eat it too'. These laws appeal to the base instincts of rural xenophobia (about 85% of the population) while at the same time enabling foreigners to invest freely – as much as they want! Perfect!

Posted by Observer December 18, 2014 04:28:11PM

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Tourists want these small luxuries. (I do, too.) Why task them with cleaning up corruption? Isn't that for Thai citizens to do? I would also submit that many expats making these harsh judgements pay into corruption themselves, such as patronizing bars and prostitutes, and/or cheating the laws with nominee companies, owning land in a Thai spouse's name, working on the sly while on retirement or education visas, etc, etc.

Posted by The Mare Crisium

Glad you said "cheating" laws, not "breaking" laws. Racist and anti-social laws deserve the outcomes they get. There is absolutely nothing wrong with a so-called "nominee" set up. The FACT is that the nominee himself IS the owner of the shares. Trust you do understand that. The courts certainly do.

Posted by Robert Moreland-Johnson

You are free to make judgements about the law, but the spirit of the law, that Thais must own 51%, is broken. (Perhaps the law is aimed at keeping foreigners proud of "cheating", to operate their businesses?) I suppose it's also OK to buy a beer from a club that has paid under the table to stay open late? Seems some foreigners want corruption, but the thousands of working Thais who are affected be damned.

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Tourists want these small luxuries. (I do, too.) Why task them with cleaning up corruption? Isn't that for Thai citizens to do? I would also submit that many expats making these harsh judgements pay into corruption themselves, such as patronizing bars and prostitutes, and/or cheating the laws with nominee companies, owning land in a Thai spouse's name, working on the sly while on retirement or education visas, etc, etc.

Posted by The Mare Crisium

To The Mare: Don't judge other people by your own standards. To Jo Dela Hetie: No, I do not depend on tourism for my income. But you should think about the other issues that having too many tourists bring – inadequate garbage disposal, lack of water, heavy traffic. But let's all be like you and take as much as we can off the tourists and to hell with the problems they bring. Use the bribe money to improve Phuket.

Posted by Shwe December 17, 2014 03:06:47PM

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Seems that the Swedish families are the kind of tourists Phuket should welcome. Some of the comments about them are distasteful. They were happy here for years but now are not happy with the situation. Buy deck chairs, etc? And carry them to the beach from where? Then go for a meal – is that with the chairs or not? Do they leave them on the beach every day? Possibly some resident expats are of low, low quality?

Posted by Ga

Don't know about the quality of resident expats, but am guessing that at least they know the restaurants in Phuket DO have chairs. They probably also know that if you buy furniture and leave it on the beach overnight, there's a high likelihood it'll be gone in the morning :))

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Seems that the Swedish families are the kind of tourists Phuket should welcome. Some of the comments about them are distasteful. They were happy here for years but now are not happy with the situation. Buy deck chairs, etc? And carry them to the beach from where? Then go for a meal – is that with the chairs or not? Do they leave them on the beach every day? Possibly some resident expats are of low, low quality?

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Why this ban on umbrellas and this welcome to the jet-ski scammers? Something wrong here; spot the crime!

Posted by mach December 16, 2014 05:52:14PM

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Tourists want these small luxuries. (I do, too.) Why task them with cleaning up corruption? Isn't that for Thai citizens to do? I would also submit that many expats making these harsh judgements pay into corruption themselves, such as patronizing bars and prostitutes, and/or cheating the laws with nominee companies, owning land in a Thai spouse's name, working on the sly while on retirement or education visas, etc, etc.

Posted by The Mare Crisium

Glad you said "cheating" laws, not "breaking" laws. Racist and anti-social laws deserve the outcomes they get. There is absolutely nothing wrong with a so-called "nominee" set up. The FACT is that the nominee himself IS the owner of the shares. Trust you do understand that. The courts certainly do.

Posted by Robert Moreland-Johnson December 16, 2014 03:05:52PM

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Well said Wicke, take no notice of what the others have said; it's all rubbish. The prices don't change when you or I leave for home; they stay the same most of the year round. If they think 100 baht a day for a chair and all of your belongings kept safe is too dear for them, then what does that tell you about them? Bring back the chairs and the drinks and regulate them properly and all will be well in the land of smiles.

Posted by mr richie

Agree. Ham 'n' cheese is fine.

Posted by Frank Desmond December 16, 2014 02:57:25PM

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The problem was that so many vendors filled up the beach sand with chairs, you couldn't walk. Here is the solution. Allow folks to rent chairs and umbrellas from a limited number of registered vendors per beach, but the beach goer is responsible for getting the gear on and off the beach when he is done. The revenue generated from rental then pays for the lifeguards and garbage removal, beach maintenance, security, etc.

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I understand that Phuket has changed in the 17 years since I lived there, but really? Carrying an umbrella and beach chairs is such a burden that you've chosen Vietnam instead? Oh well. The food there is astounding.

Posted by Bethany Maloney December 16, 2014 02:05:31PM

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The corruption affects every tourist but only for a short time, so according to you corruption is OK as you can afford the higher prices it brings, but local residents have to put up with high prices all through the year, especially taxis. The less [sic] tourists come here the better until all the greed and corruption is stamped out once and for all.

Posted by Shwe

I'm pretty sure the lady was talking only about the 100 baht for a chair and an umbrella, and not all the other things on the island as she doesn't live there; she just holidays there once a year. $3.00 Aussie dollars for a day won't break your budget, and that's even if you do reside there.

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Tourists want these small luxuries. (I do, too.) Why task them with cleaning up corruption? Isn't that for Thai citizens to do? I would also submit that many expats making these harsh judgements pay into corruption themselves, such as patronizing bars and prostitutes, and/or cheating the laws with nominee companies, owning land in a Thai spouse's name, working on the sly while on retirement or education visas, etc, etc.

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Most of the people enjoy the new sight of Phuket's beautiful beaches without touts for food and drinks, chairs, umbrellas, etc. Really not a problem if low class tourists move to other crowded places and dirty beaches.

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Well said Wicke, take no notice of what the others have said; it's all rubbish. The prices don't change when you or I leave for home; they stay the same most of the year round. If they think 100 baht a day for a chair and all of your belongings kept safe is too dear for them, then what does that tell you about them? Bring back the chairs and the drinks and regulate them properly and all will be well in the land of smiles.

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The corruption affects every tourist but only for a short time, so according to you corruption is OK as you can afford the higher prices it brings, but local residents have to put up with high prices all through the year, especially taxis. The less [sic] tourists come here the better until all the greed and corruption is stamped out once and for all.

Posted by Shwe

"The less [sic] tourists come here the better until all the greed and corruption is stamped out once and for all": You clearly are not depending on tourism to get income. I think most of the people that do (and in Phuket they are plenty) will find your comment very selfish and short sighted. And with few tourists around many businesses will have to close, affecting your lifestyle as well...

Posted by Jo Dela Hetie December 16, 2014 11:05:13AM

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Dear Mr Wicke Wiktorin: Developed countries don't allow a mass of umbrellas, loungers, and ever expanding businesses to despoil their public beaches. The beaches are magnificent without all the crap. Your opinion illustrates the selfishness of some people. Please don't come back. Enjoy your new communist vacation haven. Vietnam will never be in the same league as Thailand as a vacation destination. Ye gods... some people!

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I too have been coming to Phuket for a very long time, the main attraction being Patong Beach. It was a pleasure to arrive on the Beach to smiling faces and be looked after – regally, I may say – by the young attendants. Unfortunately, I am now failing medically and age-wise, so could never carry an umbrella, etc, to the beach. PLEASE, Governor of Phuket, let the tourists have their relaxing holiday beaches back.

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The corruption affects every tourist but only for a short time, so according to you corruption is OK as you can afford the higher prices it brings, but local residents have to put up with high prices all through the year, especially taxis. The less [sic] tourists come here the better until all the greed and corruption is stamped out once and for all.

Posted by Shwe

For tourists like that, it's much preferred if you stay home in your dark and cold country and remain all selfish important to your own self, we need tourists who care about their local impact. You should go Saint-Tropez instead if you have the money, but I doubt as you mentioned that it's too much for you to carry your own umbrellas and possibly too poor to hire someone to do it for you.

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If your 'holiday happiness' is based on plastic chairs and umbrellas and you dont 'care' about anyone or anything else, then you should be quite comfortable in many countries. Bon voyage.

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"As far as the corruption scandal, the reason why it did not become an issue for tourists is because it didn’t really affect us." Then stay away because the corruption affects all who live here. You can leave it behind, but we cannot as it is in our faces all the time.

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The corruption affects every tourist but only for a short time, so according to you corruption is OK as you can afford the higher prices it brings, but local residents have to put up with high prices all through the year, especially taxis. The less [sic] tourists come here the better until all the greed and corruption is stamped out once and for all.

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