Phuket Gazette

PHUKET: Seven people remain in hospital after a runaway Phuket tour bus slammed into five vehicles, including one motorcycle, killing two people and leaving 26 others injured late yesterday afternoon.

The bus came to a stop after ramming a concrete barrier at the bottom of Patong Hill near Wat Suwankiriwong (map here), explained Patong Police Superintendent Chiraphat Pochanaphan.

“The driver lost control of the bus, which hit the other vehicles and stopped after hitting a power pole,” Col Chiraphat said.

“Khanrat Kajornjit, 47, the driver of a Toyota Vios that was struck by the bus, and Panthida Jaruwat, 40, a tour guide sitting at the front of the bus, were both killed in the accident,” he said.

On board were 15 Russian and 14 Thai tourists, who had been picked up in Phuket Town, Col Chiraphat explained.

“Most of them suffered cuts in the accident,” he said.

“We were told that the brakes failed as the bus descended the hill into Patong. We are investigating to confirm whether or not this is accurate,” Col Chiraphat added.

The Phuket office of the Department of Disaster Prevention and Mitigation (DDPM) confirmed that of the 26 people rushed to Patong Hospital, 11 Russians and eight Thais have been discharged.

The following people remain in hospital receiving treatment:

1. Chanchai Nuisanga, 36, the bus driver

2. Somsak Setwatcharawanit, 61

3. Yupadee Sae-Pao, 75

4. Yolia Phillipova, 31

5. Alexandra Lobatyuk, 22

6. Polina Kolamrov, 32

7. Anastasia Gerasimova, 29
– Kritsada Mueanhawong

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How many bus/lorry crashes with multiple loss of life are there to be, with supposed brake failures, before the authorities take proper action? I travel over the hill 4 times a day to take and pick up my daughter from school in Kathu, and the speed that these buses/lorries are doing while descending is frightening. Action needs to be taken now before more lives are lost.

Posted by Jon Patong December 30, 2013 10:22:15AM

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How many more bus accidents does it need at Patong hill until the responsibles take any action? Poor maintained busses, unexperienced drivers etc. Should not be too difficult for police to control this, if they just wanted to.

Posted by Chiara December 30, 2013 10:38:32AM

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From that video that bus appears to have a stuck accelerator not a brake problem. After hitting that wall and flattening the car, it continues moving at speed down to the Family Mart power poles. It had to be under power.

Posted by James Bond December 30, 2013 10:47:11AM

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How many bus/lorry crashes with multiple loss of life are there to be, with supposed brake failures, before the authorities take proper action? I travel over the hill 4 times a day to take and pick up my daughter from school in Kathu, and the speed that these buses/lorries are doing while descending is frightening. Action needs to be taken now before more lives are lost.

Posted by Jon Patong

The way the majority of Thai people drive is frighting, especially here in Phuket, crossing the Heroines Monument roundabout from Paklok to the Cherng Talay road is a good insight into the mentality of the drivers and the outcome of the "watch a DVD and drive around a car park" driving test.

Posted by Mark S December 30, 2013 10:51:25AM

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To the government vehicle inspectors and to the police for not enforcing road safety, hang your heads in shame! These old coaches cannot be driven fast on steep hills without regular maintenance and REAL yearly inspections. I seem to remember the Russian consulate issuing a warning that they would stop their tourists coming to Phuket if there was one more COACH crash involving Russians! RIP

Posted by Vladdy December 30, 2013 10:55:47AM

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Speed humps down the hill... It works in Thailand better than anywhere I have ever been. Everyone before the bus will slow down by default it will have too [Comment appears to have been truncated, possibly enroute to the server - Ed].

Posted by A Williams December 30, 2013 11:26:35AM

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More speed signs needed all around Thailand and traffic cops to police it??????

Posted by khun graham December 30, 2013 11:29:15AM

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I really get tired of hearing about all the irresponsibility Thai people show toward their guests. Thailand is the luckiest country in the world because if other countries treated their guests the way Thailand does, they wouldn't have any guests at all... like the Philippines.

Posted by Toby December 30, 2013 11:29:59AM

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How many bus/lorry crashes with multiple loss of life are there to be, with supposed brake failures, before the authorities take proper action? I travel over the hill 4 times a day to take and pick up my daughter from school in Kathu, and the speed that these buses/lorries are doing while descending is frightening. Action needs to be taken now before more lives are lost.

Posted by Jon Patong

Speed bumps on the descending stretches are the only solution I can think of to slow these vehicles down.

Posted by agogohome December 30, 2013 11:54:09AM

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Another day, another fatal crash. It's just horrendous and tragic that yet more lives are lost, and more are injured, on Thailand's roads. We can't yet reduce this tragic toll, but maybe, just maybe, that Patong tunnel might help save some lives in Phuket. Happy New Year to those still alive, and condolences to the injured and relatives of the deceased. What a waste.

Posted by The Observer December 30, 2013 12:07:29PM

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This is absolutely unacceptable, and again we see totally avoidable loss of life. All tour buses MUST be subjected to rigorous testing – why do we not see pressure from foreign governments to implement proper safety at the very least to help ensure their citizens come home alive? These dreadful crashes happen so often that bus safety on our roads is a sham and a total joke. Do something!

Posted by Greer December 30, 2013 01:22:11PM

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Are what we in UK call PSV registered vehicles and HGV registered vehicles subject to annual inspections? Often when I'm stuck in slow moving traffic I get a good opportunity to observe the dilapidated condition of HGVs that show obvious signs of a lack of any maintenance? Broken lights and brake lights that appear 'white' as opposed to red? I often wonder how PSV drivers can see out of their windows for stickers, etc.

Posted by Bjay December 30, 2013 02:28:15PM

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How many bus/lorry crashes with multiple loss of life are there to be, with supposed brake failures, before the authorities take proper action? I travel over the hill 4 times a day to take and pick up my daughter from school in Kathu, and the speed that these buses/lorries are doing while descending is frightening. Action needs to be taken now before more lives are lost.

Posted by Jon Patong

You ask how many more before something's gonna change? This question has been asked often in this forum. The answer is as simple as it is sad – countless more accidents will happen like this one, and nothing will ever change. Full stop.

Posted by Mike December 30, 2013 02:43:43PM

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I referred to PSV which is a 'Public Service Vehicle' which includes Coaches, Buses and Mini Buses and require a PSV license in UK and cannot be driven with a normal car license. HGV is any of a range of vehicles used for carrying heavy loads. There are several levels of License required for different sizes and articulated vehicles. Is it the same in Thailand? I realise that licensing and annual inspections are open to corruption!

Posted by Bjay December 30, 2013 02:55:20PM

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Are you kidding, they will do nothing as usual. They only care about making money, not spending it on maintaining the buses. And as for the police doing anything, they watch it happen all the time. Give them a break; it's hard work sitting in them air-conditioned booths and keeping your eyes open while sleeping. People will just keep getting killed because of bad bus operators and deeply substandard drivers.

Posted by Tez December 30, 2013 03:02:36PM

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With so many bus accidents caused by bad brakes, I wonder what type of brake systems these buses are equipped with. If these buses have air brakes this should not happen.

Posted by Howard Hill December 30, 2013 04:18:56PM

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From that video that bus appears to have a stuck accelerator not a brake problem. After hitting that wall and flattening the car, it continues moving at speed down to the Family Mart power poles. It had to be under power.

Posted by James Bond

So why do these drivers almost ALWAYS blame it on their brakes? I count 16 bus crashes in three years, of which 15 came from failed brakes, the drivers say. If air brakes are really this DANGEROUS, why are they allowed? Does anyone in this forum know anything about air brakes???

Posted by David Weinstein December 30, 2013 04:43:32PM

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How many bus/lorry crashes with multiple loss of life are there to be, with supposed brake failures, before the authorities take proper action? I travel over the hill 4 times a day to take and pick up my daughter from school in Kathu, and the speed that these buses/lorries are doing while descending is frightening. Action needs to be taken now before more lives are lost.

Posted by Jon Patong

The way the majority of Thai people drive is frighting, especially here in Phuket, crossing the Heroines Monument roundabout from Paklok to the Cherng Talay road is a good insight into the mentality of the drivers and the outcome of the "watch a DVD and drive around a car park" driving test.

Posted by Mark S

It ain't just Thai drivers, Bubba. Have a look at the road behaviour of some of your fellow farang out there. The tourists in rental cars are lost, confused and shocked; the tourists on bikes just have no idea how very, very dangerous it is; and the farang who have lived here for more than about 6 months do tend to 'go local', running red lights, speeding, and all the rest of it.

Posted by PG Reader December 30, 2013 04:50:19PM

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How many bus/lorry crashes with multiple loss of life are there to be, with supposed brake failures, before the authorities take proper action? I travel over the hill 4 times a day to take and pick up my daughter from school in Kathu, and the speed that these buses/lorries are doing while descending is frightening. Action needs to be taken now before more lives are lost.

Posted by Jon Patong

Speed bumps on the descending stretches are the only solution I can think of to slow these vehicles down.

Posted by agogohome

So how can these buses slow down if their brakes have failed?

Posted by Road Engineer December 30, 2013 04:57:37PM

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This is absolutely unacceptable, and again we see totally avoidable loss of life. All tour buses MUST be subjected to rigorous testing – why do we not see pressure from foreign governments to implement proper safety at the very least to help ensure their citizens come home alive? These dreadful crashes happen so often that bus safety on our roads is a sham and a total joke. Do something!

Posted by Greer

"sham and a total joke" sums it up quite nicely. The bottom line, clearly, is that the Thai authorities simply do not care enough about the problem to fix it. This applies not only to Phuket, but to the whole country.

Posted by Normal Human December 30, 2013 05:02:45PM

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Are what we in UK call PSV registered vehicles and HGV registered vehicles subject to annual inspections? Often when I'm stuck in slow moving traffic I get a good opportunity to observe the dilapidated condition of HGVs that show obvious signs of a lack of any maintenance? Broken lights and brake lights that appear 'white' as opposed to red? I often wonder how PSV drivers can see out of their windows for stickers, etc.

Posted by Bjay

Can't see out of their windows.... How about the dancing dolls, wooden elephants, amulets and other paraphernalia dangling down from the mirrors?

Posted by Dillon Bondurant December 30, 2013 05:06:54PM

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How many bus/lorry crashes with multiple loss of life are there to be, with supposed brake failures, before the authorities take proper action? I travel over the hill 4 times a day to take and pick up my daughter from school in Kathu, and the speed that these buses/lorries are doing while descending is frightening. Action needs to be taken now before more lives are lost.

Posted by Jon Patong

You ask how many more before something's gonna change? This question has been asked often in this forum. The answer is as simple as it is sad – countless more accidents will happen like this one, and nothing will ever change. Full stop.

Posted by Mike

"Ever" is a huge word, Mike. Think twice about it. But I agree that it's likely to be at least another decade before Thailand starts to narrow the gap between itself and the rest of the 'developing' world.

Posted by Reasonable Man December 30, 2013 05:10:26PM

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With so many bus accidents caused by bad brakes, I wonder what type of brake systems these buses are equipped with. If these buses have air brakes this should not happen.

Posted by Howard Hill

Many of the buses do have air brakes and they FAIL all the time. Ask any of the unfortunate men who drive them. Time after time after time.....

Posted by Rene LaPorte December 30, 2013 05:15:56PM

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From that video that bus appears to have a stuck accelerator not a brake problem. After hitting that wall and flattening the car, it continues moving at speed down to the Family Mart power poles. It had to be under power.

Posted by James Bond

So why do these drivers almost ALWAYS blame it on their brakes? I count 16 bus crashes in three years, of which 15 came from failed brakes, the drivers say. If air brakes are really this DANGEROUS, why are they allowed? Does anyone in this forum know anything about air brakes???

Posted by David Weinstein

I use to own an older city type bus in America with air brakes and it was not a problem with brakes failing. It is a problem with driver error. For the most part, if the air brakes fail the bus is stopped. The air brakes are used to disengage the brake from the wheel. Unlike a car's brake which is applied by the foot pedal. This is why a stalled bus is almost impossible to move or tow because the brakes are engaged.

Posted by James Bond December 30, 2013 05:36:46PM

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With so many bus accidents caused by bad brakes, I wonder what type of brake systems these buses are equipped with. If these buses have air brakes this should not happen.

Posted by Howard Hill

Many of the buses do have air brakes and they FAIL all the time. Ask any of the unfortunate men who drive them. Time after time after time.....

Posted by Rene LaPorte

I worked for a trucking company in the US for 15 years. The air brake system has a safety device; if the truck lost air pressure, the brakes locked and the truck did not move.

Posted by Howard December 30, 2013 06:41:33PM

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How many bus/lorry crashes with multiple loss of life are there to be, with supposed brake failures, before the authorities take proper action? I travel over the hill 4 times a day to take and pick up my daughter from school in Kathu, and the speed that these buses/lorries are doing while descending is frightening. Action needs to be taken now before more lives are lost.

Posted by Jon Patong

The way the majority of Thai people drive is frighting, especially here in Phuket, crossing the Heroines Monument roundabout from Paklok to the Cherng Talay road is a good insight into the mentality of the drivers and the outcome of the "watch a DVD and drive around a car park" driving test.

Posted by Mark S

It ain't just Thai drivers, Bubba. Have a look at the road behaviour of some of your fellow farang out there. The tourists in rental cars are lost, confused and shocked; the tourists on bikes just have no idea how very, very dangerous it is; and the farang who have lived here for more than about 6 months do tend to 'go local', running red lights, speeding, and all the rest of it.

Posted by PG Reader

I agree completely. The moment farang realize that the police are not checking their behavior on the road, they become rude and reckless. Many don't show any sympathy for other road users. The dark shaded windows make drivers invisible, which I guess makes it even easier to drive carelessly as nobody knows who’s behind the wheel anyway. A bad driving Thai might be a bad driver because of a lack of education, but a bad driving farang can't get away with that.

Posted by Joe December 30, 2013 07:28:33PM

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From that video that bus appears to have a stuck accelerator not a brake problem. After hitting that wall and flattening the car, it continues moving at speed down to the Family Mart power poles. It had to be under power.

Posted by James Bond

So why do these drivers almost ALWAYS blame it on their brakes? I count 16 bus crashes in three years, of which 15 came from failed brakes, the drivers say. If air brakes are really this DANGEROUS, why are they allowed? Does anyone in this forum know anything about air brakes???

Posted by David Weinstein

I use to own an older city type bus in America with air brakes and it was not a problem with brakes failing. It is a problem with driver error. For the most part, if the air brakes fail the bus is stopped. The air brakes are used to disengage the brake from the wheel. Unlike a car's brake which is applied by the foot pedal. This is why a stalled bus is almost impossible to move or tow because the brakes are engaged.

Posted by James Bond

Close, but: The air brake system is working 'normal' on the main/front brakes, but blocking without air pressure only the rear axle. Good enough for parking, not good enough for rolling down a hill. And with brake lining and drums in 'extended' maintenance cycles...!

Posted by AFriend December 30, 2013 08:33:03PM

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The reality is that this is going to keep happening. Anyone who braves the drive over the hill please keep your eyes on a swivel and always have an escape route in mind. Never get behind anything big going up, and be mindful of what's behind you coming down. And anyone trying to turn right, across the traffic (like the motorbike in the video) has a death wish. I bet he'll think twice next time.

Posted by CaptainJack December 30, 2013 10:49:52PM

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The reality is that this is going to keep happening. Anyone who braves the drive over the hill please keep your eyes on a swivel and always have an escape route in mind. Never get behind anything big going up, and be mindful of what's behind you coming down. And anyone trying to turn right, across the traffic (like the motorbike in the video) has a death wish. I bet he'll think twice next time.

Posted by CaptainJack

Sadly, very true!

Posted by Greer December 31, 2013 12:13:28PM

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How many bus/lorry crashes with multiple loss of life are there to be, with supposed brake failures, before the authorities take proper action? I travel over the hill 4 times a day to take and pick up my daughter from school in Kathu, and the speed that these buses/lorries are doing while descending is frightening. Action needs to be taken now before more lives are lost.

Posted by Jon Patong

Speed bumps on the descending stretches are the only solution I can think of to slow these vehicles down.

Posted by agogohome

So how can these buses slow down if their brakes have failed?

Posted by Road Engineer

Name me one accident on Patong Hill that was PROVED beyond doubt to be caused by faulty brakes.

Posted by agogohome December 31, 2013 09:10:24PM

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From that video that bus appears to have a stuck accelerator not a brake problem. After hitting that wall and flattening the car, it continues moving at speed down to the Family Mart power poles. It had to be under power.

Posted by James Bond

So why do these drivers almost ALWAYS blame it on their brakes? I count 16 bus crashes in three years, of which 15 came from failed brakes, the drivers say. If air brakes are really this DANGEROUS, why are they allowed? Does anyone in this forum know anything about air brakes???

Posted by David Weinstein

I think I am reasonably qualified to make the next comment. For air brakes to fail, they must be horribly, horribly worn. All diesel vehicles are also fitted with Jacob or Voight retarders that operate on the vehicle's exhaust gasses or drive shafts.These are extremely effective if, once again, they are working when needed. The drivers here panic when driving too fast and then just blame the brakes.

Posted by Hannes de Vos January 2, 2014 11:02:59AM

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How many bus/lorry crashes with multiple loss of life are there to be, with supposed brake failures, before the authorities take proper action? I travel over the hill 4 times a day to take and pick up my daughter from school in Kathu, and the speed that these buses/lorries are doing while descending is frightening. Action needs to be taken now before more lives are lost.

Posted by Jon Patong

Speed bumps on the descending stretches are the only solution I can think of to slow these vehicles down.

Posted by agogohome

So how can these buses slow down if their brakes have failed?

Posted by Road Engineer

All diesel vehicles are fitted with some sort of exhaust brake system like Jacobs or Voight retarders. These are extremely effective, even for vehicles carrying loads of 30 tons. If you descend a very steep hill, are in the correct gear and use your exhaust brake, you will never run away, UNLESS OF COURSE the systems are not maintained and checked regularly. Same old story – never the driver's fault. Bull!

Posted by Hannes de Vos January 2, 2014 11:10:45AM

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Your headline today: "Phuket Poll: How to stop Patong Hill carnage?" I am confused as the incident happened last year and was discussed by many in the forum! Your headline lead me to expect one of your Gazette Polls. Have I missed something?

Posted by Bjay January 18, 2014 03:52:47PM

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Your headline today: "Phuket Poll: How to stop Patong Hill carnage?" I am confused as the incident happened last year and was discussed by many in the forum! Your headline lead me to expect one of your Gazette Polls. Have I missed something?

Posted by Bjay January 18, 2014 03:52:47PM

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How many bus/lorry crashes with multiple loss of life are there to be, with supposed brake failures, before the authorities take proper action? I travel over the hill 4 times a day to take and pick up my daughter from school in Kathu, and the speed that these buses/lorries are doing while descending is frightening. Action needs to be taken now before more lives are lost.

Posted by Jon Patong

Speed bumps on the descending stretches are the only solution I can think of to slow these vehicles down.

Posted by agogohome

So how can these buses slow down if their brakes have failed?

Posted by Road Engineer

All diesel vehicles are fitted with some sort of exhaust brake system like Jacobs or Voight retarders. These are extremely effective, even for vehicles carrying loads of 30 tons. If you descend a very steep hill, are in the correct gear and use your exhaust brake, you will never run away, UNLESS OF COURSE the systems are not maintained and checked regularly. Same old story – never the driver's fault. Bull!

Posted by Hannes de Vos January 2, 2014 11:10:45AM

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From that video that bus appears to have a stuck accelerator not a brake problem. After hitting that wall and flattening the car, it continues moving at speed down to the Family Mart power poles. It had to be under power.

Posted by James Bond

So why do these drivers almost ALWAYS blame it on their brakes? I count 16 bus crashes in three years, of which 15 came from failed brakes, the drivers say. If air brakes are really this DANGEROUS, why are they allowed? Does anyone in this forum know anything about air brakes???

Posted by David Weinstein

I think I am reasonably qualified to make the next comment. For air brakes to fail, they must be horribly, horribly worn. All diesel vehicles are also fitted with Jacob or Voight retarders that operate on the vehicle's exhaust gasses or drive shafts.These are extremely effective if, once again, they are working when needed. The drivers here panic when driving too fast and then just blame the brakes.

Posted by Hannes de Vos January 2, 2014 11:02:59AM

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How many bus/lorry crashes with multiple loss of life are there to be, with supposed brake failures, before the authorities take proper action? I travel over the hill 4 times a day to take and pick up my daughter from school in Kathu, and the speed that these buses/lorries are doing while descending is frightening. Action needs to be taken now before more lives are lost.

Posted by Jon Patong

Speed bumps on the descending stretches are the only solution I can think of to slow these vehicles down.

Posted by agogohome

So how can these buses slow down if their brakes have failed?

Posted by Road Engineer

Name me one accident on Patong Hill that was PROVED beyond doubt to be caused by faulty brakes.

Posted by agogohome December 31, 2013 09:10:24PM

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The reality is that this is going to keep happening. Anyone who braves the drive over the hill please keep your eyes on a swivel and always have an escape route in mind. Never get behind anything big going up, and be mindful of what's behind you coming down. And anyone trying to turn right, across the traffic (like the motorbike in the video) has a death wish. I bet he'll think twice next time.

Posted by CaptainJack

Sadly, very true!

Posted by Greer December 31, 2013 12:13:28PM

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The reality is that this is going to keep happening. Anyone who braves the drive over the hill please keep your eyes on a swivel and always have an escape route in mind. Never get behind anything big going up, and be mindful of what's behind you coming down. And anyone trying to turn right, across the traffic (like the motorbike in the video) has a death wish. I bet he'll think twice next time.

Posted by CaptainJack December 30, 2013 10:49:52PM

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From that video that bus appears to have a stuck accelerator not a brake problem. After hitting that wall and flattening the car, it continues moving at speed down to the Family Mart power poles. It had to be under power.

Posted by James Bond

So why do these drivers almost ALWAYS blame it on their brakes? I count 16 bus crashes in three years, of which 15 came from failed brakes, the drivers say. If air brakes are really this DANGEROUS, why are they allowed? Does anyone in this forum know anything about air brakes???

Posted by David Weinstein

I use to own an older city type bus in America with air brakes and it was not a problem with brakes failing. It is a problem with driver error. For the most part, if the air brakes fail the bus is stopped. The air brakes are used to disengage the brake from the wheel. Unlike a car's brake which is applied by the foot pedal. This is why a stalled bus is almost impossible to move or tow because the brakes are engaged.

Posted by James Bond

Close, but: The air brake system is working 'normal' on the main/front brakes, but blocking without air pressure only the rear axle. Good enough for parking, not good enough for rolling down a hill. And with brake lining and drums in 'extended' maintenance cycles...!

Posted by AFriend December 30, 2013 08:33:03PM

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How many bus/lorry crashes with multiple loss of life are there to be, with supposed brake failures, before the authorities take proper action? I travel over the hill 4 times a day to take and pick up my daughter from school in Kathu, and the speed that these buses/lorries are doing while descending is frightening. Action needs to be taken now before more lives are lost.

Posted by Jon Patong

The way the majority of Thai people drive is frighting, especially here in Phuket, crossing the Heroines Monument roundabout from Paklok to the Cherng Talay road is a good insight into the mentality of the drivers and the outcome of the "watch a DVD and drive around a car park" driving test.

Posted by Mark S

It ain't just Thai drivers, Bubba. Have a look at the road behaviour of some of your fellow farang out there. The tourists in rental cars are lost, confused and shocked; the tourists on bikes just have no idea how very, very dangerous it is; and the farang who have lived here for more than about 6 months do tend to 'go local', running red lights, speeding, and all the rest of it.

Posted by PG Reader

I agree completely. The moment farang realize that the police are not checking their behavior on the road, they become rude and reckless. Many don't show any sympathy for other road users. The dark shaded windows make drivers invisible, which I guess makes it even easier to drive carelessly as nobody knows who’s behind the wheel anyway. A bad driving Thai might be a bad driver because of a lack of education, but a bad driving farang can't get away with that.

Posted by Joe December 30, 2013 07:28:33PM

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With so many bus accidents caused by bad brakes, I wonder what type of brake systems these buses are equipped with. If these buses have air brakes this should not happen.

Posted by Howard Hill

Many of the buses do have air brakes and they FAIL all the time. Ask any of the unfortunate men who drive them. Time after time after time.....

Posted by Rene LaPorte

I worked for a trucking company in the US for 15 years. The air brake system has a safety device; if the truck lost air pressure, the brakes locked and the truck did not move.

Posted by Howard December 30, 2013 06:41:33PM

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From that video that bus appears to have a stuck accelerator not a brake problem. After hitting that wall and flattening the car, it continues moving at speed down to the Family Mart power poles. It had to be under power.

Posted by James Bond

So why do these drivers almost ALWAYS blame it on their brakes? I count 16 bus crashes in three years, of which 15 came from failed brakes, the drivers say. If air brakes are really this DANGEROUS, why are they allowed? Does anyone in this forum know anything about air brakes???

Posted by David Weinstein

I use to own an older city type bus in America with air brakes and it was not a problem with brakes failing. It is a problem with driver error. For the most part, if the air brakes fail the bus is stopped. The air brakes are used to disengage the brake from the wheel. Unlike a car's brake which is applied by the foot pedal. This is why a stalled bus is almost impossible to move or tow because the brakes are engaged.

Posted by James Bond December 30, 2013 05:36:46PM

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With so many bus accidents caused by bad brakes, I wonder what type of brake systems these buses are equipped with. If these buses have air brakes this should not happen.

Posted by Howard Hill

Many of the buses do have air brakes and they FAIL all the time. Ask any of the unfortunate men who drive them. Time after time after time.....

Posted by Rene LaPorte December 30, 2013 05:15:56PM

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How many bus/lorry crashes with multiple loss of life are there to be, with supposed brake failures, before the authorities take proper action? I travel over the hill 4 times a day to take and pick up my daughter from school in Kathu, and the speed that these buses/lorries are doing while descending is frightening. Action needs to be taken now before more lives are lost.

Posted by Jon Patong

You ask how many more before something's gonna change? This question has been asked often in this forum. The answer is as simple as it is sad – countless more accidents will happen like this one, and nothing will ever change. Full stop.

Posted by Mike

"Ever" is a huge word, Mike. Think twice about it. But I agree that it's likely to be at least another decade before Thailand starts to narrow the gap between itself and the rest of the 'developing' world.

Posted by Reasonable Man December 30, 2013 05:10:26PM

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Are what we in UK call PSV registered vehicles and HGV registered vehicles subject to annual inspections? Often when I'm stuck in slow moving traffic I get a good opportunity to observe the dilapidated condition of HGVs that show obvious signs of a lack of any maintenance? Broken lights and brake lights that appear 'white' as opposed to red? I often wonder how PSV drivers can see out of their windows for stickers, etc.

Posted by Bjay

Can't see out of their windows.... How about the dancing dolls, wooden elephants, amulets and other paraphernalia dangling down from the mirrors?

Posted by Dillon Bondurant December 30, 2013 05:06:54PM

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This is absolutely unacceptable, and again we see totally avoidable loss of life. All tour buses MUST be subjected to rigorous testing – why do we not see pressure from foreign governments to implement proper safety at the very least to help ensure their citizens come home alive? These dreadful crashes happen so often that bus safety on our roads is a sham and a total joke. Do something!

Posted by Greer

"sham and a total joke" sums it up quite nicely. The bottom line, clearly, is that the Thai authorities simply do not care enough about the problem to fix it. This applies not only to Phuket, but to the whole country.

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How many bus/lorry crashes with multiple loss of life are there to be, with supposed brake failures, before the authorities take proper action? I travel over the hill 4 times a day to take and pick up my daughter from school in Kathu, and the speed that these buses/lorries are doing while descending is frightening. Action needs to be taken now before more lives are lost.

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Speed bumps on the descending stretches are the only solution I can think of to slow these vehicles down.

Posted by agogohome

So how can these buses slow down if their brakes have failed?

Posted by Road Engineer December 30, 2013 04:57:37PM

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How many bus/lorry crashes with multiple loss of life are there to be, with supposed brake failures, before the authorities take proper action? I travel over the hill 4 times a day to take and pick up my daughter from school in Kathu, and the speed that these buses/lorries are doing while descending is frightening. Action needs to be taken now before more lives are lost.

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The way the majority of Thai people drive is frighting, especially here in Phuket, crossing the Heroines Monument roundabout from Paklok to the Cherng Talay road is a good insight into the mentality of the drivers and the outcome of the "watch a DVD and drive around a car park" driving test.

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It ain't just Thai drivers, Bubba. Have a look at the road behaviour of some of your fellow farang out there. The tourists in rental cars are lost, confused and shocked; the tourists on bikes just have no idea how very, very dangerous it is; and the farang who have lived here for more than about 6 months do tend to 'go local', running red lights, speeding, and all the rest of it.

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From that video that bus appears to have a stuck accelerator not a brake problem. After hitting that wall and flattening the car, it continues moving at speed down to the Family Mart power poles. It had to be under power.

Posted by James Bond

So why do these drivers almost ALWAYS blame it on their brakes? I count 16 bus crashes in three years, of which 15 came from failed brakes, the drivers say. If air brakes are really this DANGEROUS, why are they allowed? Does anyone in this forum know anything about air brakes???

Posted by David Weinstein December 30, 2013 04:43:32PM

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With so many bus accidents caused by bad brakes, I wonder what type of brake systems these buses are equipped with. If these buses have air brakes this should not happen.

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Are you kidding, they will do nothing as usual. They only care about making money, not spending it on maintaining the buses. And as for the police doing anything, they watch it happen all the time. Give them a break; it's hard work sitting in them air-conditioned booths and keeping your eyes open while sleeping. People will just keep getting killed because of bad bus operators and deeply substandard drivers.

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I referred to PSV which is a 'Public Service Vehicle' which includes Coaches, Buses and Mini Buses and require a PSV license in UK and cannot be driven with a normal car license. HGV is any of a range of vehicles used for carrying heavy loads. There are several levels of License required for different sizes and articulated vehicles. Is it the same in Thailand? I realise that licensing and annual inspections are open to corruption!

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How many bus/lorry crashes with multiple loss of life are there to be, with supposed brake failures, before the authorities take proper action? I travel over the hill 4 times a day to take and pick up my daughter from school in Kathu, and the speed that these buses/lorries are doing while descending is frightening. Action needs to be taken now before more lives are lost.

Posted by Jon Patong

You ask how many more before something's gonna change? This question has been asked often in this forum. The answer is as simple as it is sad – countless more accidents will happen like this one, and nothing will ever change. Full stop.

Posted by Mike December 30, 2013 02:43:43PM

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Are what we in UK call PSV registered vehicles and HGV registered vehicles subject to annual inspections? Often when I'm stuck in slow moving traffic I get a good opportunity to observe the dilapidated condition of HGVs that show obvious signs of a lack of any maintenance? Broken lights and brake lights that appear 'white' as opposed to red? I often wonder how PSV drivers can see out of their windows for stickers, etc.

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This is absolutely unacceptable, and again we see totally avoidable loss of life. All tour buses MUST be subjected to rigorous testing – why do we not see pressure from foreign governments to implement proper safety at the very least to help ensure their citizens come home alive? These dreadful crashes happen so often that bus safety on our roads is a sham and a total joke. Do something!

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Another day, another fatal crash. It's just horrendous and tragic that yet more lives are lost, and more are injured, on Thailand's roads. We can't yet reduce this tragic toll, but maybe, just maybe, that Patong tunnel might help save some lives in Phuket. Happy New Year to those still alive, and condolences to the injured and relatives of the deceased. What a waste.

Posted by The Observer December 30, 2013 12:07:29PM

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How many bus/lorry crashes with multiple loss of life are there to be, with supposed brake failures, before the authorities take proper action? I travel over the hill 4 times a day to take and pick up my daughter from school in Kathu, and the speed that these buses/lorries are doing while descending is frightening. Action needs to be taken now before more lives are lost.

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Speed bumps on the descending stretches are the only solution I can think of to slow these vehicles down.

Posted by agogohome December 30, 2013 11:54:09AM

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I really get tired of hearing about all the irresponsibility Thai people show toward their guests. Thailand is the luckiest country in the world because if other countries treated their guests the way Thailand does, they wouldn't have any guests at all... like the Philippines.

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More speed signs needed all around Thailand and traffic cops to police it??????

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Speed humps down the hill... It works in Thailand better than anywhere I have ever been. Everyone before the bus will slow down by default it will have too [Comment appears to have been truncated, possibly enroute to the server - Ed].

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To the government vehicle inspectors and to the police for not enforcing road safety, hang your heads in shame! These old coaches cannot be driven fast on steep hills without regular maintenance and REAL yearly inspections. I seem to remember the Russian consulate issuing a warning that they would stop their tourists coming to Phuket if there was one more COACH crash involving Russians! RIP

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How many bus/lorry crashes with multiple loss of life are there to be, with supposed brake failures, before the authorities take proper action? I travel over the hill 4 times a day to take and pick up my daughter from school in Kathu, and the speed that these buses/lorries are doing while descending is frightening. Action needs to be taken now before more lives are lost.

Posted by Jon Patong

The way the majority of Thai people drive is frighting, especially here in Phuket, crossing the Heroines Monument roundabout from Paklok to the Cherng Talay road is a good insight into the mentality of the drivers and the outcome of the "watch a DVD and drive around a car park" driving test.

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From that video that bus appears to have a stuck accelerator not a brake problem. After hitting that wall and flattening the car, it continues moving at speed down to the Family Mart power poles. It had to be under power.

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How many more bus accidents does it need at Patong hill until the responsibles take any action? Poor maintained busses, unexperienced drivers etc. Should not be too difficult for police to control this, if they just wanted to.

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How many bus/lorry crashes with multiple loss of life are there to be, with supposed brake failures, before the authorities take proper action? I travel over the hill 4 times a day to take and pick up my daughter from school in Kathu, and the speed that these buses/lorries are doing while descending is frightening. Action needs to be taken now before more lives are lost.

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